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2005-02-02 20:49:43.027165+00 by ebradway 10 comments

I've been tasked with getting MacClade running on a lab full of PCs running Windows 2000 (can't change OSes). Being at a University, I'm trying to do this as cheaply as possible (i.e., free). I've been playing with SoftMac and Basilisk without much luck so far. Fortunately, I do have piles and piles of old 680x0 Macs that I can use the ROM licenses from and the license for MacClade is actually MacClade Version 3, so all I need to do is emulate a 680x0 Mac running MacOS 7.5 (have licenses).

Does anyone know of: A. a better way to emulate a Mac or B. a better genetics program for the PC. This is for the head of the Biology department, so there's not much momentum to change programs.

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comments in ascending chronological order (reverse):

#Comment Re: PearPC made: 2005-02-02 21:45:29.510538+00 by: Chris Rainey

Have you considered this:

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-02 22:06:09.516433+00 by: ebradway

PearPC doesn't support peripheral emulation. I need the floppy drive and printer to work.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-03 16:14:37.005453+00 by: mkelley

Right now, there are no decent emulation programs for running OS X on Windows. Like you've discovered, the older emu programs are based on that evil pre-PPC code. I know it's not possible to change just for one program, but one of the new little $499 Macminis and VirtualPC would "fix" the problem.....

#Comment Isnt this exactly what you are trying to do made: 2005-02-03 19:09:08.170233+00 by: Stuartmm

http://www.ardi.com/exe_win_macclade.php

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-03 20:02:04.615087+00 by: ebradway

mkelley: yes, MacMini's would "fix" the problem but would cost about $10K. We need 20 machines running in the class. We already have a classroom full of new Win2K machines.

Stuart: yes, that is exactly what I'm trying to do but avoid the licensing fee for the software. ARDI is $80/cpu for 20 machines, or $1600. And if you read more of their website, the company is really just one guy who has been doing contract work for the past two years and hasn't worked on the program.

I now have SoftMac booting as a Quadra 650 off a MacOS System 7.6.5 CD. I'm still having trouble getting it to recognize the virtual hard drive. But progress is happenning.

BTW, MacClade is 680x0 software, especially V3. I don't need anything more.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-14 17:46:53.567003+00 by: ebradway

I now have Basilisk II working fairly well. It doesn't handle CDs as well as SoftMac, but everything else seems to work better!

Now I'm trying to find a reasonably usable browser for a 68K Mac running OS 8.1.

Netscape 4.08 was the last version made to support the 68K Mac. Apple's Cyberdog 2.0 was their last 68K browser. Microsoft dropped support around IE 4.01, which I still haven't found a binary for.

There's another browser called iCab that's still in development, but it doesn't seem to render any better than the others.

So far, only Cyberdog would actually let me post to Flutterby and none of them get the front page rendering right...

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-14 18:49:53.249443+00 by: ebradway

I found an IE401 source and it is SLOW!

I fired up iCab again and actually found it to be better at rendering than the others. iCab also has a cute little smiley face that is happy and green when the page code meets it's specs and progresses to red and sad as things get worse. I can click on the smiley and get plain-English explanations about what it's not happy about. This page gives:

http://www.flutterby.com/archives/comments/7650.html Altogether 61 errors found. Only 25 errors are listed below. Error (1/64): The attribute "xmlns" is not part of HTML. Error (1/64): The attribute "xml" is not part of HTML. Error (1/64): The attribute ":" is not part of HTML. Error (6/4): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (6/4): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (7/4): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (7/4): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (30/1): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (30/1): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (30/37): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (30/37): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (30/137): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (30/137): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (63/4): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (63/4): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (63/28): must not be nested. Error (66/1): must not be nested. Error (76/4): must not be nested. Error (80/4): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (80/4): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Error (80/4): must not be nested. Error (80/28): must not be nested. Error (83/1): must not be nested. Error (95/4): Invalid characters in tag or attributes. Error (95/4): The attribute "/" is not part of HTML. Warning (180/1): The attribute "WRAP" is not allowed for the tag

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-14 19:50:28.694604+00 by: Dan Lyke

Yep, it's mostly complaining about stuff in a namespace that it should be silently parsing and throwing away, or about tag closes, optional in SGML[Wiki], required in XML[Wiki] and XHTML[Wiki], but complained about in many pseudo-HTML parsers.

Netscape 4.08 should handle Flutterby okay if you make sure that JavaScript (and therefore CSS) is turned off: It's massively broken in all of the 4.x browsers.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-21 19:17:21.328865+00 by: Jon Lee

I need an old Mac ROM, send me an old Mac ROM. Please thank you.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-02-21 19:27:45.90315+00 by: Dan Lyke

Two things:

  1. That would be a copyright infringement.
  2. No reader of this site can get access to your email address. You'll have to go to your user information screen and give us some contact information.