worth it?
2005-06-29 22:54:26.417678+00 by
Dan Lyke
7 comments
From Dubya's speech last night:
The work in Iraq is difficult and it is dangerous. Like most Americans,
I see the images of violence and bloodshed. Every picture is horrifying,
and the suffering is real. Amid all this violence, I know Americans ask
the question: Is the sacrifice worth it?
Not the question I'm asking. I'm questioning if this is a reasonably efficient way to accomplish the stated goals. And the answer I'm coming up with again and again is "no". In fact, it appears to be so inefficient that I'm thinking there have to be other, unstated goals.
And recent history would support that latter interpretation.
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#Comment Re: made: 2005-06-30 01:09:59.503772+00 by:
Mars Saxman
I have found that one suffers the least confusion about events in Iraq if one simply assumes that every
statement from the White House on the subject is a lie.
#Comment Re: Lies heaped upon lies made: 2005-06-30 02:07:53.319267+00 by:
BC
I didn't even watch his speech. I can't stand to listen to the idiot spout phrases and messages his neocon handlers feed him. This man is the biggest mistake America has ever made.
#Comment Re: made: 2005-06-30 02:17:23.204844+00 by:
jeff
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To be sure, the war in Iraq and the lead-up to it is a complex as the Middle-East itself. Revenge, blind ambition, power, utter dependence on oil, Israel, removal of a despot, stupidity, and wanton democracy were all factors.
The inefficiency of the war has become blatantly obvious, and the unstated goals are fairly well stated at my PNAC reference link (I created it just prior to the last presidential election). I've known for a long, long time that "things weren't as they seemed." Our no-longer-objective-mainstream-press has been complicit in the deception.
#Comment Re: made: 2005-06-30 03:37:13.758381+00 by:
mvandewettering
To me, the most amazing thing is the tired, oft-repeated, lie that somehow invading Iraq had something to do with decreasing the risk of global terrorism. Honestly, can anyone listen to this anymore without just wanting to (for lack of a more productive reaction) laugh?
Of course, his speech wasn't to satisfy the liberal Democrats, it was to placate those who actually voted for him and are beginning to come out of their stupor and realize just what a crappy place the world as become.
#Comment Re: made: 2005-06-30 03:42:40.941499+00 by:
Diane Reese
Heaven help me, but I won't even listen to the man's voice anymore, it makes me sick. If a clip of him speechifying comes on the radio, I turn it off or poke a button for another station. (My family got tired of me screaming, "LYING F*CKING *SSHOLE!" every time I heard his sickening voice.)
Oh. Sorry. Did I mention I agree with everything above?
#Comment Re: made: 2005-06-30 04:17:26.247781+00 by:
jeff
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It has been awhile since I actually perused the PNAC page I created over a year ago. I did so tonight to ensure the that all of the links contained within the page still worked, and I found myself delving into some articles which lie outside the current mainstream-administration-complicit "free press" that we have these days. Here is one such new article which makes a strong case for impeaching George W. Bush and pushing his corrupt and evil administration out of Washington. HIGHLY recommended reading.
One of many new grass-roots organizations, POAC unearths the corrupted agenda of PNAC, and offers some hope for the future. The bottom line is that our current two-party political system is completely INEFFECTIVE and DEAD, most likely forever. Which means more than ever, we must take it upon ourselves to educate our colleagues, neighbors, friends and loved ones of the dangerous course our country is being pushed.
#Comment Re: Impeachment made: 2005-06-30 14:54:11.881664+00 by:
BC
Impeachment would only begin with the recognition by our press that a pro-Israel, predominantly Jewish claque engineered the war to remove Saddam Hussein. The press will NEVER allow this issue to become front and center, because too large a percentage of THE PRESS is primarily concerned with Israel, just as the neocons are. So, they may disagree on how to best preserve Israel's safety, but they still have the same objectives.