XML
2006-11-06 16:08:50.209814+01 by
Dan Lyke
3 comments
Dave has been struggling with XML. Despite my occasional snide comments about XML I'm pretty facile with it, but recently I did some work on Yadis that involved lots of namespaces, and I realized that it's evolved to be a set of technologies in search of solutions. Yeah, there's lots of interesting stuff there, but it starts to descend into the ludicrous, and pretty soon I got to thinking "even if it's UTF-8, why aren't we doing this as "name: value" pairs separated by newlines?
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#Comment Re: XML made: 2006-11-06 19:00:54.232042+01 by:
Jack William Bell
Many people agree with you (see xmlsuck.org ). For XML alternatives, I prefer JSON ( http://json.org/ ), but YAML seems equally simple ( http://www.yaml.org/ ).
My opinion? I like XML just fine; I am even reasonably proficient in XSLT and XPath. But if all you need is a lightweight data interchange format, XML is overkill for your needs. Moreover, if the only way you know of to process XML is to load it into a DOM and start navigating the tree, your code may end up ugly with a capital 'UGH'. (I mentioned XSLT and XPath above for a reason.)
Jack William Bell
#Comment Re: made: 2006-11-07 11:13:24.970837+01 by:
DaveP
I was really missing key-value pairs, myself.
I'm still pondering just scrapping the "real" parsing and sucking what I need out of the stream with
regexps. It'll be ugly and fragile, but I'd be done.
#Comment Re: made: 2006-11-07 14:06:41.203737+01 by:
meuon
I'd never seen YAML, and I hope I don't have to, even their example made me think back to archaic data formats of the 1980's. XML is very useful, when used properly
and kept sane. Just because it's a "natively supported" format for Flash, JavaScript and Java, it makes sense to use. I've also seen it used badly, a lot.
I still use a lot of name=value<cr> pairs, data|data|data<cr> and url encoded (post as well as get). Unless the implementation is very very strange, or there is insane amounts of data, I really don't care what format it is in. It's all just another markup language...
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