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Re: iDrama or hiDrama??
Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 01:39:51PM -0500 in <1117996791.42a346f705f9a@webmail.iu.edu>,
thom@indiana.edu <thom@indiana.edu> spake:
>I objected to the idea that any art can be automatically generated in any field
>from writing to visual art to music. History pretty much shows that art does
>not appear randomly, that machines never produce it and that humans are always
>in the mix. This particularly holds true if you are looking at any art from a
>historical perspective. Art defined by Picasso, Shakespeare, Otis Redding, Nam
>Jun Paik, Laura Mixon etc ... Artists.
That may well have something to do with the fact that computers did
not exist when those "historical" forms of art were created.
Automatically generating art is clearly possible in many fields.
Samples, remixing, and algorithmic blending of melodies lend themselves
well to computer-generated music. There are software-generated poems
and stories, and I've been entertained by them in a few cases, which is
more than I can say for many meat-based writers.
Consider <http://www.random-art.org/>, which is often surprisingly
good. I've used many of them as desktop backgrounds over the years.
All of these still have an artist, of sorts: the person who wrote the
program. But your belief that every single work of art must be manually
generated by an *ARTISTE* is clearly false. The assertion that modern
impressionists are not artists is more than just false, it's openly
insulting, and you need to think long and hard about why you'd say such
a horrible and monstrous thing, why the notion of people making art that
is simply there to be pleasant to look at is offensive to you. I can't
stand the work of Neil Diamond, yet I'd never assert that he isn't an
artist.
The goal of the interactive fiction/drama/storytelling movement (which
this list exists to serve) is to produce storytelling entertainment
generated or mediated by software. If you're not interested in that,
it's probably not going to be of any use to you, and assertions that
it's impossible and not art are probably not going to be of any use to
anyone here.
>This list has a collection of talent. What happens if rather than endless
>deconstruction of why we can't make a living the way we want to or why we can't
>model this emotion or meta that story this collection of talent decided to
>create an interactive story/drama just for the hell of it and see where it
>takes them.
>Thank could be fun.
Oh, great Cthulhu. Please, not another "Let's take a bunch of
strangers with radically different tastes and make a game! Online!
I've got an idea, and you can all work for me for free!" thing. Those,
we know to be failures, every single time they've been tried.
--
<a href="http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/";> Mark Hughes </a>
"I think [Robert Heinlein] would take it kindly if we were all to refrain from
abandoning civilization as a failed experiment that requires too much hard
work." -_Rah, Rah, RAH!_, by Spider Robinson